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bobarctor1977
Posts : 1311 Join date : 2017-11-11 Location : Michigan, USA
| Subject: General OOC Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:43 pm | |
| Place to post general questions about the game as well as our rolls. Meta game discussion etc. _________________ "Don't mess with me, lady. I've been drinking with skeletons."
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Kobras_Aquairre
Posts : 539 Join date : 2019-05-09 Age : 29 Location : United States
| Subject: Re: General OOC Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:06 pm | |
| Eifa will swear an iron vow to rid the village of this curse that has befallen them. When you swear upon iron to complete a quest, write your vow and give the quest a rank. Then, roll +heart. If you make this vow to a person or community with whom you share a bond, add +1.http://orokos.com/roll/754262 (1d6+ 2 Heart +1 Relates to a bond)= 5http://orokos.com/roll/754265 Result: 3 and 5, a Weak Hit On a weak hit, you are determined but begin your quest with more questions than answers. Take +1 momentum, and envision what you do to find a path forward.That works out well, we still have a lot of questions. I think our first step has to be gathering information from villagers or the surrounding area. I'll update the IC thread later to reflect the swearing of the iron vow. | |
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bobarctor1977
Posts : 1311 Join date : 2017-11-11 Location : Michigan, USA
| Subject: Re: General OOC Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:40 pm | |
| BTW pro tip - if you type a semicolon between rolls, you can use multiple rolls at once. Like this: http://orokos.com/roll/749526typed in 1d100; 1d10+3; 1d100+3 (idk why I typed 1d100+3 but you get the point) Just nice to avoid having to set up multiple rolls, fill in the fields again etc. etc. _________________ "Don't mess with me, lady. I've been drinking with skeletons."
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bobarctor1977
Posts : 1311 Join date : 2017-11-11 Location : Michigan, USA
| Subject: Re: General OOC Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:37 pm | |
| PS, if you guys give me your email addresses, I can share my map in OneNote with you and we can start annotating it based on where our home village is and where we go on our adventures etc. _________________ "Don't mess with me, lady. I've been drinking with skeletons."
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Kobras_Aquairre
Posts : 539 Join date : 2019-05-09 Age : 29 Location : United States
| Subject: Re: General OOC Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:50 am | |
| Rolling to Gather Information in the woods around town https://orokos.com/roll/754617Challenge Dice: 5 and 7. Rolled a 6, a weak hit. "On a weak hit, the information complicates your quest or introduces a new danger. Envision what you discover (Ask the Oracle if unsure), and take +1 momentum."I envision to complication to be a surprisingly large number of tracks as well as a campsite recently abandoned. Perhaps simply a wandering band of nomads moving through the area, or maybe raiders who have taken villagers. There might be a dozen of them, definitely too many to take in a fight. But the tracks do lead deeper into the wilderness. | |
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bobarctor1977
Posts : 1311 Join date : 2017-11-11 Location : Michigan, USA
| Subject: Re: General OOC Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:09 pm | |
| Lol fucked up hard on that gather information. +2 for wits and +1 for acting within a community I share a bond with but still no luck.... miss.gathering information by asking the warden and other people in villlage: 1d6+3 5 1d10 8 1d10 8On a miss, your investigation unearths a dire threat or reveals an unwelcome truth that undermines your quest. Pay the Price.Will take a minute to reflect on what this could be, but my gut reaction is that someone within the village is assisting the outside threat. So basically, we'll have to confront a fellow villager about why they're fucking us over. _________________ "Don't mess with me, lady. I've been drinking with skeletons."
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bobarctor1977
Posts : 1311 Join date : 2017-11-11 Location : Michigan, USA
| Subject: Re: General OOC Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:10 pm | |
| Or maybe I discover some new threat....like I find out that it's worse than we thought somehow. Not sure _________________ "Don't mess with me, lady. I've been drinking with skeletons."
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Kobras_Aquairre
Posts : 539 Join date : 2019-05-09 Age : 29 Location : United States
| Subject: Re: General OOC Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:57 pm | |
| Eifa will roll to "Compel" Ghalen though charm and diplomacy, using +heart. I'm gonna say Ghalen's not a member of the refugee clan, so I have no bonus from sharing a bond with him. http://orokos.com/roll/757056Challenge Dice: 7, 10 Action Die: 8, a weak hit. "On a strong hit, they’ll do what you want or share what they know. Take +1 momentum. If you use this exchange to Gather Information, make that move now and add +1. On a weak hit, as above, but they ask something of you in return. Envision what they want (Ask the Oracle if unsure)." So I guess I immediately make a Gather Information roll? http://orokos.com/roll/757057Challenge Dice: 6, 7 Action Die: 8 (I forgot to add the +1 from Compel into the orokos roll), a Strong Hit! +2 momentum and we learn something helpful and specific! So we need to figure out: A.) what ghalen wants from us, and B.) what info he gives us in exchange. | |
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bobarctor1977
Posts : 1311 Join date : 2017-11-11 Location : Michigan, USA
| Subject: Re: General OOC Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:31 pm | |
| Cool! You are racking up a lot of momentum - that should come in handy. My gut reaction on Ghalen is that he insists that we not harm him or tell anyone what hes done. Like he makes us promise this, maybe swear on the gods, before he shares his story. That puts us in a dramatic situation where maybe he reveals some awful, terrible story about his actions, but our hands our bound... I imagine roughly that Ghalen did it somehow because he felt forced to do this for the good of himself or his family or the village? Like perhaps he swore a dark pact with some sorcerors or witches that in return for a few villagers, they would keep us from starving over the winter? Just spitballing here. I can "take point" on IC for a minute and describe Ghalen's speech or you can - doesn't matter to me _________________ "Don't mess with me, lady. I've been drinking with skeletons."
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Kobras_Aquairre
Posts : 539 Join date : 2019-05-09 Age : 29 Location : United States
| Subject: Re: General OOC Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:25 pm | |
| Eifa will first conduct the Ward ritual, sprinkling salt around the perimeter of the camp. http://orokos.com/roll/761172Challenge Dice: 2, 3. Roll+wits=5, a Strong Hit! When a foe first crosses the boundary, take +1 momentum and when you first inflict harm against a foe within the boundary, deal +1 harm. Dope, I got really lucky. When night falls, Eifa will dance in the moonlight with her bear pelt http://orokos.com/roll/761174Challenge Dice: Double 6s, Roll+wits= 7, A Strong Hit on Matched dice! So whoever wears the bear pelt gets +1 Iron, plus an interesting twist. Maybe the spirit bound speaks to her? Sent by Tungolgim? Perhaps it speaks of a great treasure hidden somewhere else, hmmmmmm | |
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bobarctor1977
Posts : 1311 Join date : 2017-11-11 Location : Michigan, USA
| Subject: Re: General OOC Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:17 am | |
| make camp roll: making camp: 1d6+5 9 1d10 4 1d10 2strong hit unsurprisingly given our supply. "On a strong hit, you and your allies may each choose two. On a weak hit, choose one. Recuperate: Take +1 health for you and any companions. Partake: Suffer -1 supply and take +1 health for you and any companions. Relax: Take +1 spirit. Focus: Take +1 momentum. Prepare: When you break camp, add +1 if you Undertake a Journey." I will be taking momentum once and we can't really benefit from anything else on here but +1 momentum is still nice. Will post IC when I can, probably by end of the weekend. _________________ "Don't mess with me, lady. I've been drinking with skeletons."
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Kobras_Aquairre
Posts : 539 Join date : 2019-05-09 Age : 29 Location : United States
| Subject: Re: General OOC Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:56 am | |
| I too, shall take +1 Momentum
Working on typing up IC, it'll be up today or tomorrow | |
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Pendraig
Posts : 87 Join date : 2019-05-17 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: General OOC Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:52 pm | |
| Hey guys. I'm still not entirely certain when I need to be making rolls for actions; I think it'll take a bit of getting used to. If you notice something that Harmast needs to roll for then would you mind pointing it out until I get the gist of the system?
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Kobras_Aquairre
Posts : 539 Join date : 2019-05-09 Age : 29 Location : United States
| Subject: Re: General OOC Sun Oct 06, 2019 3:53 pm | |
| Yeah, the moves are a lot more broad than most other rpgs. You roll them whenever you do something with an uncertain outcome. You roll two d10 that are the "challenge dice" and then roll 1d6+relevant modifier which is your "action die." If your action roll is higher than both challenge dice, its a strong hit. If its higher than only one die its a weak hit. If its lower than both its a miss. Each move specifies the outcome of each result
If you download the whole zip file from online there should be a couple documents called "Rules Reference" and "Moves reference" that condenses things.
It might be beneficial to have Harmast to make a "Reach destination" move to see what awaits us in the cave. | |
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Pendraig
Posts : 87 Join date : 2019-05-17 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: General OOC Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:52 pm | |
| What would I be rolling to make sense of the map and/or guide us safely to the cave? Perhaps better if Temura takes the lead as guide? | |
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bobarctor1977
Posts : 1311 Join date : 2017-11-11 Location : Michigan, USA
| Subject: Re: General OOC Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:04 pm | |
| I'll post something up real quick. I asked the oracle and got a good idea.
PS, should we have marked progress for figuring out what the deal with Ghalen was? Keep in mind that we will need to have marked 6-7 progress at a minimum probably to complete our quest here, if not closer to 10. _________________ "Don't mess with me, lady. I've been drinking with skeletons."
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Kobras_Aquairre
Posts : 539 Join date : 2019-05-09 Age : 29 Location : United States
| Subject: Re: General OOC Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:29 pm | |
| I guess in general a "Gather Information" move would be what you'd roll to decipher it, and an "Undertake Journey" move is what you'd take to follow it? | |
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Pendraig
Posts : 87 Join date : 2019-05-17 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: General OOC Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:32 pm | |
| Is that a roll +wits? How would I enter that in Orokos?
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Kobras_Aquairre
Posts : 539 Join date : 2019-05-09 Age : 29 Location : United States
| Subject: Re: General OOC Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:36 pm | |
| "1d10; 1d10; 1d6+1" would be how I'd do it.
Also a good move to make in the morning is to use your Devotant asset to try to gain momentum | |
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bobarctor1977
Posts : 1311 Join date : 2017-11-11 Location : Michigan, USA
| Subject: Re: General OOC Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:44 pm | |
| I did update with a post about the pelt, btw. not sure if you saw but I rolled on the oracle table and got hit with inspiration and just ran with it - apologies if I went too fast, but if Pendraig wants to IC something I can delete the post. _________________ "Don't mess with me, lady. I've been drinking with skeletons."
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Pendraig
Posts : 87 Join date : 2019-05-17 Location : UK
| Subject: Re: General OOC Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:09 pm | |
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Kobras_Aquairre
Posts : 539 Join date : 2019-05-09 Age : 29 Location : United States
| Subject: Re: General OOC Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:16 pm | |
| I consulted the oracle regarding our next course of action, I got "assault" and "persevere" so I guess we're gonna have to fight some dudes. Combat is weird, hopefully I understand it correctly. Lets say a pair of raiders (Dangerous) just inside the cave entrance. I'll try to ambush them with by rolling +shadow http://orokos.com/roll/762950 Challenge Rolls Double 10s. Action Roll 7, Miss Well crap, double 10s is the worse possible result. I'll interpret that as the raiders both being bolstered by mysticism, making them Formidable Eifa will Endure Harm as a result of the botched ambush http://orokos.com/roll/762952 Challenge Rolls 5, 8 Action Roll7, weak hit Eifa takes 3 Harm and loses the initiative | |
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Iron and Metal Admin
Posts : 5168 Join date : 2017-10-15 Age : 37 Location : Where the sun settles in its final location
| Subject: Re: General OOC Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:50 pm | |
| I really want to be in on this. I love you guys... that is all... | |
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bobarctor1977
Posts : 1311 Join date : 2017-11-11 Location : Michigan, USA
| Subject: Re: General OOC Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:55 am | |
| - Iron and Metal wrote:
- I really want to be in on this. I love you guys... that is all...
Hahaha we would love to have you. If your schedule ever frees up a bit, we will be here... _________________ "Don't mess with me, lady. I've been drinking with skeletons."
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bobarctor1977
Posts : 1311 Join date : 2017-11-11 Location : Michigan, USA
| Subject: Re: General OOC Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:24 am | |
| I also fuck up my enter the fray roll. Great lol. enter the fray, heart: 1d10 8 1d10 7 1d6+2 4. That means I do not have initiative either. Let me think about how I am going to pay the price here....I am going to say my shot goes wide and the enemy closes in on me so that I have to draw my knife and fight in hand to hand combat (which I am bad at). Perhaps this would be a good time for Harmast to enter combat and Secure an Advantage to support either Temura or Eifa? _________________ "Don't mess with me, lady. I've been drinking with skeletons."
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Kobras_Aquairre
Posts : 539 Join date : 2019-05-09 Age : 29 Location : United States
| Subject: Re: General OOC Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:52 am | |
| Reinforcements arrive!
I figured I'd make a public post so everyone can be involved in the discussion. Right now we've got T.Bit, but I think there might be one more coming from reddit as well.
For the new players: The one thing we decided before beginning of the game is that all the PCs would have once belonged to a settlement that was destroyed by a wyvern many years ago. The ultimate long term goal of the game will be to recover our clan's ancestral artifact so our exiled people will no longer be "cursed".
Regarding when new characters can enter the game, I think they should probably be able to jump right in. We could explain it as the new characters either traveling through the woods and notice the combat, or just handwave it and say they've been there since the beginning. | |
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Kobras_Aquairre
Posts : 539 Join date : 2019-05-09 Age : 29 Location : United States
| Subject: Re: General OOC Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:05 pm | |
| Eifa will attempt to strike back with the Clash move. She'll use her Sunderer asset as well, to take -1 momentum in exchange for +1 harm. http://orokos.com/roll/764437 Challenge: 1 and 10. Action: 5, a weak hit. Raider takes 3 harm, but Eifa must pay the price. Rolled some dice to determine the price, I've decided that the raider deliberately left himself open to the attack to provoke Eifa into a reckless assault. He grabs her axe, now she must either drop it or wrestle him for it. | |
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T.Bit
Posts : 39 Join date : 2019-10-15 Age : 32 Location : Texas, USA
| Subject: Re: General OOC Wed Oct 16, 2019 4:44 pm | |
| Hey everyone! Glad to be joining. My character's name is Gisla and as a nomadic trapper I was going to assume she's been to your town before and recognizes at least one of you and so decides to aid in combat? | |
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Kobras_Aquairre
Posts : 539 Join date : 2019-05-09 Age : 29 Location : United States
| Subject: Re: General OOC Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:27 pm | |
| Yeah, sounds good to me! I think jumping into the fight is the best way to go | |
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bobarctor1977
Posts : 1311 Join date : 2017-11-11 Location : Michigan, USA
| Subject: Re: General OOC Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:51 pm | |
| I don't know if y'all have had a chance to check out the Lodestar reference guide available for Ironsworn (link here), but it has this chart that I just found that I found super helpful. I know Ironsworn rules fairly well at this point but sometimes I have a hard time keeping track of when to use what actions in combat. _________________ "Don't mess with me, lady. I've been drinking with skeletons."
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bobarctor1977
Posts : 1311 Join date : 2017-11-11 Location : Michigan, USA
| Subject: Re: General OOC Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:58 pm | |
| _________________ "Don't mess with me, lady. I've been drinking with skeletons."
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bobarctor1977
Posts : 1311 Join date : 2017-11-11 Location : Michigan, USA
| Subject: Re: General OOC Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:59 pm | |
| Sacrificing one supply for that weak hit - I have a good idea for IC.... _________________ "Don't mess with me, lady. I've been drinking with skeletons."
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Kobras_Aquairre
Posts : 539 Join date : 2019-05-09 Age : 29 Location : United States
| Subject: Re: General OOC Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:07 pm | |
| Oh dang, that's a great summary. Wish I had just read that in the first place. | |
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T.Bit
Posts : 39 Join date : 2019-10-15 Age : 32 Location : Texas, USA
| Subject: Re: General OOC Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:09 pm | |
| I guess now is a good time to Enter the Fray! http://orokos.com/roll/764496 So a 1 and 9 vs 4+3(sneak attack so I'm using shadow)+2(since I'm using my cutthroat ability by wielding my knife). That gives me a weak hit and I choose to take initiative. Does that all look correct-ish? | |
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bobarctor1977
Posts : 1311 Join date : 2017-11-11 Location : Michigan, USA
| Subject: Re: General OOC Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:13 pm | |
| - T.Bit wrote:
- I guess now is a good time to Enter the Fray!
http://orokos.com/roll/764496 So a 1 and 9 vs 4+3(sneak attack so I'm using shadow)+2(since I'm using my cutthroat ability by wielding my knife). That gives me a weak hit and I choose to take initiative.
Does that all look correct-ish? Sounds great, now time to make it come alive with the fiction! Kudos for not bombing your enter the fray roll like us P.S. - I started a progress track for this combat on my PC sheet. Yell at me if you deal harm and I need to update it. We haven't done any harm to them yet correct? _________________ "Don't mess with me, lady. I've been drinking with skeletons."
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T.Bit
Posts : 39 Join date : 2019-10-15 Age : 32 Location : Texas, USA
| Subject: Re: General OOC Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:39 pm | |
| Well since I've got initiative, I try striking at the raider: http://orokos.com/roll/764502 That's a 6 and an 8 vs a 5+2(Iron stat) for a weak hit. So I do 1 harm but lose the initiative. Oh and I gained a momentum last move I think? | |
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bobarctor1977
Posts : 1311 Join date : 2017-11-11 Location : Michigan, USA
| Subject: Re: General OOC Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:51 am | |
| - T.Bit wrote:
- Well since I've got initiative, I try striking at the raider:
http://orokos.com/roll/764502 That's a 6 and an 8 vs a 5+2(Iron stat) for a weak hit.
So I do 1 harm but lose the initiative. Oh and I gained a momentum last move I think? A weak hit for enter the fray lets you either take +2 momentum or take initiative - but you have to choose one or the other. _________________ "Don't mess with me, lady. I've been drinking with skeletons."
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bobarctor1977
Posts : 1311 Join date : 2017-11-11 Location : Michigan, USA
| Subject: Re: General OOC Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:51 am | |
| _________________ "Don't mess with me, lady. I've been drinking with skeletons."
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T.Bit
Posts : 39 Join date : 2019-10-15 Age : 32 Location : Texas, USA
| Subject: Re: General OOC Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:55 am | |
| - bobarctor1977 wrote:
A weak hit for enter the fray lets you either take +2 momentum or take initiative - but you have to choose one or the other. Whoops! | |
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Kobras_Aquairre
Posts : 539 Join date : 2019-05-09 Age : 29 Location : United States
| Subject: Re: General OOC Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:55 am | |
| Alright, I'm gonna risk it big and make Turn the Tide to seize the initiative and Strike him. http://orokos.com/roll/764619 Challenge: 2 and 3. Action: 5, that what I'm talking about! "On a strong hit, inflict +1 harm. You retain initiative." plus for turning the tide I take +1 momentum. Eifa will draw her dagger for a total of 3 harm, my raider now has 6 progress against him. | |
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bobarctor1977
Posts : 1311 Join date : 2017-11-11 Location : Michigan, USA
| Subject: Re: General OOC Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:35 am | |
| - T.Bit wrote:
- Well since I've got initiative, I try striking at the raider:
http://orokos.com/roll/764502 That's a 6 and an 8 vs a 5+2(Iron stat) for a weak hit.
So I do 1 harm but lose the initiative. Oh and I gained a momentum last move I think? Actually I was just scrolling through all of the stuff posted here to make sure I had the right harm total down - for reference TBit you actually do 2 harm if you're armed with a typical weapon. You only do 1 harm if you're using an improved weapon like a rock or a shield or something like that. So that puts us at 8 total harm, right? Eifa has dealt 6 harm total (3 harm on 2 different hits), while Gisla has dealt 2. We can either try to finish the fight now or I can loose another arrow at one of these guys just to give us some peace of mind.... _________________ "Don't mess with me, lady. I've been drinking with skeletons."
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Kobras_Aquairre
Posts : 539 Join date : 2019-05-09 Age : 29 Location : United States
| Subject: Re: General OOC Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:24 pm | |
| Go for the kill, brother. | |
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bobarctor1977
Posts : 1311 Join date : 2017-11-11 Location : Michigan, USA
| Subject: Re: General OOC Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:34 pm | |
| Going to also turn the tide here and then immediately roll to secure an advantage. Using my archer talent to line up a shot for this raider's throat with my bow - secure an advantage by aiming before shooting with arrow: 1d10 5 1d10 7 1d6+2+1 8Cool so I take +2 momentum overall, nice. Also going to make another move (Strike) with a +1 per my Secure an Advantage results... striking at range: 1d10 7 1d10 6 1d6+4 9Ayy another hit. Nice! So that's 3 harm, maxxing out our progress track. Rolling to end the fight - end the fight against raiders: 1d10 3 1d10 4This foe is no longer in the fight. They are killed, out of action, flee, or surrender as appropriate to the situation and your intent (Ask the Oracle if unsure). Not sure if we just want to slaughter both, take one captive, etc...I imagine that my last arrow shot definitely killed the one I attacked. Will try to post an IC later. _________________ "Don't mess with me, lady. I've been drinking with skeletons."
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T.Bit
Posts : 39 Join date : 2019-10-15 Age : 32 Location : Texas, USA
| Subject: Re: General OOC Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:40 pm | |
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bobarctor1977
Posts : 1311 Join date : 2017-11-11 Location : Michigan, USA
| Subject: Re: General OOC Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:48 pm | |
| Thanks! I am a little surprised, my combats in Ironsworn have never gone that smoothly lol. I warned Kobras that you tend to get your ass kicked in this game! P.S. Tabitha not sure if you saw my earlier post but you should definitely check out the LINE app if you can - its available for android, iOS, and as a desktop app. We use it for quick back and forth chatting about the game. You can look me up by my username, which is the same as on here, bobarctor1977 https://line.me/en/ _________________ "Don't mess with me, lady. I've been drinking with skeletons."
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Kobras_Aquairre
Posts : 539 Join date : 2019-05-09 Age : 29 Location : United States
| Subject: Re: General OOC Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:57 pm | |
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T.Bit
Posts : 39 Join date : 2019-10-15 Age : 32 Location : Texas, USA
| Subject: Re: General OOC Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:40 pm | |
| I realized I used a terrible color for in character dialogue and changed it. Sorry if that was hard to read. | |
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T.Bit
Posts : 39 Join date : 2019-10-15 Age : 32 Location : Texas, USA
| Subject: Re: General OOC Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:52 pm | |
| I'm rolling to make an iron vow to aid Eifa and company: http://orokos.com/roll/765452 gives me a 2 and 8 vs. 6. Weak hit which makes sense. I have no idea what's causing the villages problems! | |
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bobarctor1977
Posts : 1311 Join date : 2017-11-11 Location : Michigan, USA
| Subject: Re: General OOC Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:19 am | |
| I'm sorry gang - between being sick and having only a few days time between my camping trip and my trip this week to Denver, trying to get 5 days of work done in 3, as well as some other shit (close friend's grandma passing away) I have not had the time to get a post in.
Please sit tight and in the meantime I appreciate your patience - I will try to update this week but will back on the wagon week of October 28th at the very outside. _________________ "Don't mess with me, lady. I've been drinking with skeletons."
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T.Bit
Posts : 39 Join date : 2019-10-15 Age : 32 Location : Texas, USA
| Subject: Re: General OOC Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:23 am | |
| No worries! I'm attending a wedding this weekend so I probably won't be able to post anything then just as a heads up. | |
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